I am not on first name basis with Dr. Dodds - but over the years she has ALWAYS been responsive to my many questions via email, she was instrumental in the development of the vWD research and eventual test and her vaccine research makes her a peer of Schultz and any other vaccine expert - I trust her knowledge and experience implicitly. The "push" towards a no vaccination protocol in response to the video posted by Gemmasmomma, and many subsequent heated discussions ended up creating more questions than answers for me, and when I hold the responsiblity for the health and wellness of the puppies I bring into this world - I needed some straight answers to help me decide what was the best course of action for me, so I emailed Dr. Dodds, and below is her response. I hope you find it helpful -- she also sent me her most recent seminar notes that she uses when speaking and have attached it at the bottom - the first part is a bit tough going - but if you read nothing else - scroll down and read what she has to say about titer testing. After reading her position - I will continue to do the titer test - and only once at 3 years old
Dear Gail: Hello ! Please forgive my delayed reply -- had referral clients to see and meetings all day yesterday, and simply "crashed" last night after dinner at 10 pm !
See responses below in red, and the attached notes.
Best regards, Jean
W. Jean Dodds, DVM
HEMOPET
11561 Salinaz Avenue
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From: Gail S. Forrest [mailto:trinity_dobes@netzero.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:04 PM
To: hemopet@hotmail.com
Subject: NO Vaccines - the way to a healthier dog? I am so confused
Dr. Dodds,
Have you seen this video? I swear sometimes I think we get bombarded with too much information!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6oDCJPdGQ&feature=player_embeddedNo; but don’t need or wish to. The vet is advocating no vaccines - for a better and stronger immunity - do you agree with this position?
ALL pets need appropriate vaccines as puppies or kittens, then a booster at a year later OR vaccine titers measured instead. Then if titers are fine or a booster is given at the one year mark, titers or boosters (I prefer titers only) are then repeated every three years until about age 10. After that, no more vaccines. Or titers are needed. Of course, rabies vaccines still have to be given as required by law.
I understand the concept of not reducing, but building upon the natural born immunity - but what is the cost to the pups? how many puppies will you have to loose to diseases like parvo before you get 4 or 5 generation herd health and robust immune systems?
This is silly – building up the immune system of pups and kittens still will not protect some dogs them from infection and illness or death from virulent viruses like parvo virus or distemper virus. Sorry if I sound a bit frustrated, but there is a member of my "group of breeder friends" that is adamant about going the route of NO VACCINES, embracing the concept with a zealousness, like a religion - and going cold turkey with no vaccines for her pups - I think thats crazy and there has to be a better way to get there than leave the pups unprotected.
Just wait until one of these poor unfortunates gets ill and dies – it is inevitable. There was a Harlequin Great Dane breeder some years ago that never vaccinated her dogs. Her 2-year old bitch contracted parvovirus while in whelp , and she lost the bitch and all her puppies. Tragic ! I respect your knowledge and study on vaccines, I understand that you are a very busy woman, if you have written or published an article that has your thoughts and opinions on this - please just point me in the right direction.
Thank you very much in advance for your response.
Gail
I posted a letter to the Vet who made that video... Dr. Jordon... I cut and pasted your letter here to her and here is her response...
its long... so bear with it...
She addressed Dr. Dodds' responses with clinical info from the formost Veterinarian on Immunology in the country. Dr. Charles Schultz... even Dr. Dodds quotes him...:Hello;
Well, something needs to be said here about the fact that when parvo first came about......before there was a vaccine for parvo, as Dr. Ron Schultz says, the immune system that the Creator gave dogs allowed dogs to survive parvo WITHOUT A VACCINE.
That said, the very use of vaccines are going to help some immune systems survive that are not "stronger for having had the vaccine" . It is actually the very use of vaccines and antivirals that are causing the rise of strains of viruses that are more lethal. Use of Tamiflu is suspected for bringing about the newer strain of parvo.
I know also of someone that contacted me from Animal Talk Naturally who doesn't vaccinate either and she is a breeder. She knows that her dogs that she breeds have immune systems that can meet and surpass a parvo threat. What she told me is that some may get a bit lethargic and slobbery but they do not fall to the virus and if they do......she does not want to perpetuate those genes!
They found out in Indonesia, for the very use of Bird Flu vaccines in the poultry industry that they were surviving weak individuals. Four experts, one a veterinarian, one a tropical disease expert and one an avian disease expert all criticized their government for using vaccines and antivirals. They reported that this actually keeps the virus in play, allows weakened individuals and in an effort to save the poultry industry have therefore CREATED the rise of H3N2 and H5N1 much more LETHAL strains of that virus.Also, bringing a more lethal virus closer to humans that interact with those vaccinated birds.
One of my colleagues says.....but natural selection is a bummer.....no one likes to lose pups or chickens even if vaccinating makes them an add to the weakening of the group.
Dr. Ron Schultz is on record saying that the reason we no longer have Rottweilers and Dobermans that die from parvo is because those gene pools with weak immune genes died out...........so it is not "silly" to see the value in having strong immune systems, those that survive a threat without being linked into dependence on vaccines.....
Vaccines are supposed to augment ACQUIRED IMMUNITY.
I am surprised that Dr. Dodds is advocating vaccines every three years......Dr. Ron Schultz only vaccinates his own dogs once at 16 weeks of age and never again for their life! That is also what he recommends for his family's dogs and anyone else that asks him about minimizing vaccinations.
Since Dr. Dodds makes money from tittering, and now has a vet hospital that is vaccinating, perhaps that is why her allegiance is with vaccinating so much.Vaccinating every three years is yes "so much" because vaccines are not necessary to be repeated. Repeating vaccines will increase adverse events and do not make the animals "more immune".Quite the contrary is actually the situation. Every vaccine damages and the damage is cumulative.
,If you look up Elizabeth Hart the advocate for the pets and client rights, she is in Australia and had her own dog died from unsafe and unnecessary vaccines-she has long documented the facts that neither annual nor triennial vaccines have any science or evidence based behind them. (Elizabeth has MUCH MORE, but just one of her links is attached.
Dr. Rich Ford and Dr. Ron Schultz are on record stating that the triennial vaccine was a number pulled out of the air, a political compromise........nothing at all is based on need for additional vaccines from the one at 15-16 weeks that Schultz advocates for.The vets know this but what in the world would they sell if not vaccines? vaccines compromise over 15% of a practice income and I would attest to the % of monies made from vaccine induced disease to be 60% of the practice income once diagnostics and medicines, surgery, chemotherapy etc is all taken into account. Few vets are even capable of seeing this link of vaccine to disease but there are plenty of professionals trained in homeopathy that see this very clearly. IT is like you are having a conversation with some in the Church who can not bring themselves to look through Galileo's new telescope. They still see the world as flat.
Many vets use the vaccine as a profit center, many others are on record, ex. Dr. Ron Schultz and Dr. Alice Wolf say that this is unethical and in some cases Schultz refers to this behavior as malpractice for which the vet should lose their license.
Besides there being ABSOLUTELY no science or rationale for vaccines yearly, triennially or otherwise, we still have vets promoting what remains to be unscientific methodologies. Where are the studies proving that vaccines were ever the reason that an animal doesn't get a disease?
Dr. Ford is on record with one in nine puppies that are vaccinated with parvo will develop parvo from the vaccine! What mumbling excuse do those who advocate vaccinations give those owners whose dogs still develop parvo despite vaccines? Do they check to see if the infecting virus is vaccine strain?
Oprah Winfrey adopted pound puppies that were vaccinated heavily and yet they developed parvo anyway.......there is no guarantee with vaccines and..........what damage from the vaccines that go unrecognized, unadmitted, damage that I am afraid the likes of Dr. Jean Dodd and others still do not address.
I don't know of any vets, including those teaching, researching or those doing the jabbing that even know what it is that is being injected and the subsequent effect on the body or even the immune system.There are no safety studies, nothing that shows gene impact results from vaccines, no teratogenic or carcinogenic studies. Most of what is said about vaccines is ASSUMPTIONS.
Dr. Jean Dodds and Dr. Ron Schultz don't even agree on everything. For instance, Dr. Schultz believes the DAP (distemper,adenovirus,parvo) is what is needed for puppy processing and Dr. Jean Dodd's does not think adenovirus is necessary.
I know that Dr. Dodds understanding of the Leptospirosis vaccines is much different from mine. I chalk up the fact that I have spent many more hours researching this vaccine and the disease of than she does so...there is always that angle, experience and education makes a perspective change.
While I was pouring over J Compton Burnett's book on Vaccinosis written over a 150 years ago based on the damage coming just from small pox vaccines......Burnett described "the church of vaccinology" which is the church of fanatic believers. Those that had a "need to believe" in vaccines.
This is the church I think your friend belongs to. Burnett discovered as many more that followed that have a "NEED" to believe that vaccines work, that vaccines "save us". Even though there is no proof of that. Burnett did a well detailed mathematical model even back then 150 years ago.....a mathematical model similar to a current age one done by the researchers in Indonesia that prove that vaccines do not increase your chance of surviving.What vaccination does in not change mortality but raises morbility and morbidity. This is a mouthful and you would have spend a lot of time pouring over the stats that are out there to understand Burnett's truth and the truths show in the mathematical model from the Indonesia Tropical Disease Specialist. I doubt most vets could even wrap their heads around this information.....why? Because as Schultz reports they do not know enough and are not educated enough. I tend to look at anything provided by drug companies that stand to profit from the sale of these vaccines with a very jaundiced eye-they are conflicted.
Others like Judith DeCava's book Vaccination Examining the Record-that when you get a vaccine you have two things to worry about, catching the disease and the disease you get from the vaccine, whereas, those who are not vaccinated have only one thing to worry about.......catching the disease. You see, with careful study the vaccines are not shown to protect you like the church of vaccinologists so believe.
In my current Dogs Naturally presentation on "vaccinosis is all we ever see" there is another doctor who when asked why he doesn't believe in vaccines, replied "because health is always preferable to disease". He to as a doctor bought with "child like faith" what his teachers passed onto him about vaccines. Unfortunately he like many others was being brainwashed with inaccurate information, not based on facts or science but in assumptions and repeating lies that have been told since vaccines came onto the scene.
This is where the naturally reared dogs come in, like children that grow up without pollution to their genome from vaccines, with immune systems allowed to mature and become fully functional-these are the only genes you really want to be propagating. It can be done, many have done it. Even without intervention, as Dr. Schultz reminds us, nature saw to it that dogs survived parvo infection that didn't have a vaccine.
Dr. Richard Pitcairn, deduced that these "Church of vaccinology zealots" have this "need to believe in vaccines" as a religion. He said it must be a religion because it wasn't based on science. Vaccines are basically assumptions that are precedence based.They are not based on science and facts.Dr. Ron Schultz is on record reporting to the vaccinologists that it is an "indefensible practice"
I could go on and on, but when you try discussing with zealots or those whose beliefs are based on faith and not facts, it never is resolved.
One thing, I am not selling anyone anything, I am not beholden to drug companies, I do not run a business that benefits from using vaccines. I just get to pick up the pieces of those broken hearts whose child or pet developed vaccine induced disease, dys regulated or disarmed immune systems from the unnatural immune assaults otherwise known as vaccines.
I do think that my colleague, Dr. Stephen Blake said it best; vaccinations are responsible for more death, disability and disease than any other medical practice act. He also says that vaccination is a personal choice, one that shouldn't be made without educating yourself. I agree but where does one get their education?
Dr. Ron Schultz is on record saying that veterinarians are not educated enough in either vaccinology or immunology to even be making vaccine recommendations. He also points out that those in the great halls of academics, that would be my professors that were teaching me in the fourth year......neither do they have enough information to be teaching and making recommendations on vaccines. Do you know......who it is that actually gives the vets their information on how and when to vaccinate???
It is the DRUG COMPANIES.
Yes, I can attest to that.
The vets may have a 007, license to kill, but they do not according to our leading veterinary vaccine researcher.....have what it is necessary to even be making vaccine recommendations.
As I said, I would challenge the whole vet community, I bet more than 98% of them could not even pass a multiple guess test on what is even in vaccines not to mention all the pathology that is now established from vaccines.Most are too busy vaccinating to attend Dr. Schultz lectures about vaccines.
So, just tell your friend from the Church of Vaccinology, where is the proof that vaccines are safe or even necessary in combating infectious disease? None of the human vaccines have proof of having lowered the rates of infectious disease.....diseases were already in rapid decline even before vaccines came about. Except for the small pox vaccine. Jenner is accused of having humanized cow syphilis with the use of small pox vaccine!
Yes, someone could indeed lose their dog to parvo. The dog could even have been vaccinated at a vet's office against parvo but picked up parvo beforehand from a dog shedding parvo from the vaccine that he received at the vets.
I would never demand anyone not vaccinate their dogs, many are MARRIED to the idea that "VACCINES CAN SAVE THEM". They could become so hysterical if their dog dies of parvo and not vaccinated. Let everyone be responsible for their own decision, but I pray that we each and every one have a CHOICE to choose. Just like that breeder who doesn't vaccinate......she doesn't want to perpetuate weak genomes. She isn't breeding dogs to sell weak immune dysregulated individuals.
Please be sure to let anyone know that I am not supporting a religion, certainly not a member of the Church of Vaccinology. What I support is the truth and the freedom to chose the health care after careful education and consideration. I just hate it when those that are raising the flag to support myths and assumptions, that they don't see clearly, they have not taken the time to perform due diligence. If there is one thing I learned the hard way, taking my professors words for the sake of it has left us all very naked. Naked from the truth actually and that makes our profession lose credibility overall. The whole medical profession will have to own up to this, the largest medical assumption that has lead to more disease, deaths and disability in the history of mankind is the use of vaccines, like Dr. Stephen Blake makes clear on his website. Dr. Blake stopped vaccinating over 30 years ago......so who is crazy? The ones with 30 + years experience in the field..........those that have taken the time to perform due diligence? Or those that are passing on assumptions and myths "with child like faith"?
.Sincerely,
Dr. Jordan
