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Post by Nellie on Dec 17, 2011 12:36:46 GMT -5
In the link below from Dogs Naturally Magazine is the link to the "AAHA Canine Vaccination Guidelines for the General Veterinary Practice": www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/lifelong-immunity-aaha/Link to AAHA "Guidelines":www.aahanet.org/Library/CanineVaccine.aspxPlease check this out. How can they state that they recommend a booster every 3 years and yet state that the sustained protective immune response lasts at least 5 - 7 years??
What are they doing to our beloved dogs and cats??
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Post by gemmasmomma on Dec 17, 2011 13:51:19 GMT -5
I read this and posted this link in Facebook too... I have been saying this for awhile now in several posts related to this, now its being said more emphatically and even being 'acknowledged' on a very weak/namby pamby level by the AAHA..... But Dr.'s like Dr. Schultz are holding their feet to the fire with his research going back 30 years.
Nellie, I believe that the answer to your question is plain as day. THE DRUG companies have made their case pretty strongly and being the 'Trust your Doctor" types of people, that most people are. They trust and follow their advice. The Doctors do it because the Drug companies spoon feed them the information and then the 90% of the Vets out there simply regurgitate what was spoon fed them...
We are supposed to be responsible to do our own homework if we want to know any 'truth' about anything related to our and our pets healthcare.
I do not and have not trusted My Doctors and or Vet's for sometime now. I have been considered a 'pot stirrer' because of it.
Now perhaps another 1% of the 'non trusting' types of people will pay attention to the folks like Dr. Robert Schultz and people like me who pass along their information. Thanx for posting, this, because I was going to post it, but figured I would probably be 'ignored' if I did...
So thanx Nellie!
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Post by cathynu on Dec 17, 2011 17:11:03 GMT -5
"THE DRUG companies have made their case pretty strongly and being the 'Trust your Doctor" types of people, that most people are. They trust and follow their advice. The Doctors do it because the Drug companies spoon feed them the information and then the 90% of the Vets out there simply regurgitate what was spoon fed them...
We are supposed to be responsible to do our own homework if we want to know any 'truth' about anything related to our and our pets healthcare.
I do not and have not trusted My Doctors and or Vet's for sometime now. I have been considered a 'pot stirrer' because of it."
Couldn't agree with you more ..... and we're doing this while we're paying BIG BUCKS for something called "service from the experts" ..... Sadly a similar thing is happening with human medicine as well .... the drug companies and the Medical Insurance companies orchestrate EVERYTHING for their own benefit ..... while we get to pay the high prices!!!
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Post by trinitydobes on Dec 18, 2011 19:18:02 GMT -5
I think you guys may be giving a bit more credit for some humanitarian motivation than some vets deserve - I worked for an equine emergency clinic and i saw first hand the lobbying and financial incentivising the drug companies use to motivate and inspire vets to buy their products instead of another drug company the financial kick backs - or payments are HUGE!!! I an talking big money on the bottom line -
Vets push vaccines, and topical flea and tick products that are not necessary and will also kill your pets - the latest thing is that vets are startng to say you must have a current bordetella shot before coming to the vets and if you don't have one - you must get one while there - WTF - are you kidding me???
our best defense and best protection of our pets is to be an educated consumer!
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Post by aruiz0322 on Dec 18, 2011 20:18:15 GMT -5
Wow Gail I did not know that about the Bordetella vax that is insane. I would find another vet if that was the case, or that did not require that. Medicine with animals is getting just as bad if not worse than medicine for humans!!!!
Amy
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Post by cathynu on Dec 18, 2011 21:44:13 GMT -5
The interesting thing is some vets require a kennel cough shot ever 6 months while others require it be done 1x per year ..... the other thing they'll force you to have done is a flu shot .... we got to this particular crowd one morning early to board Jimmy and were told that because he wasn't up to date on his flu shot it was against the law to board him. We were hamstrung, because we had no where else to board him and our accommodation was booked and paid for But the worst was when these b/tards gave him Derramax which which is the doggie equivalent of Celebrex and it gave him a heartattack and killed him and they weren't even interested in talking to us when we took the Wikipaedia article to them giving them the info regarding the number of animal deaths after this drug had been administered to them ... we left there, and I'll NEVER EVER EVER reccommend them to anyone!!! The funny thing is, when I entered Rex in the Gardendale Pooch parade and he won, they were very interested in an "assosiation" with us - and to use him as their Mascot .... I very quickly told them thanks, but no thanks!! I don't trust them as far as I can seem them!!!
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Post by georgie on Dec 19, 2011 4:29:08 GMT -5
what is the blood test you have done to test the levels of immunity a dog has.. my insurance company are arguing with me over this. I wont want to vaccinate annually, i dont agree with pumping things i to my dog for no reason especially if they are licensed for 3 years. I do my puppy injections, booster and then one at a year old and then nothing again till they are 4. My insurance company is saying this is going to invalidate their insurance but i want to prove that my hounds are immune.
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Post by cathynu on Dec 19, 2011 7:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by trinitydobes on Dec 19, 2011 12:21:03 GMT -5
Cathy - I hope you reported his death to the manufacturer of Derramax - and they should have paid anything associated with his death.
vets know the dangers of this drug -ask Lisa, Prettyfeetsmomma about her scary experience with it - and if they gave Derramax to your dog without your permission and conscent I would have sued their pants off!! and I would have lodged a complaint witht he Better Business Bureau!!!
so sorry about your loss
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Post by cathynu on Dec 19, 2011 15:16:37 GMT -5
"our best defense and best protection of our pets is to be an educated consumer!"
And that was exactly what our problem was at the time of Jimmy's fateful passing - we were trusting idiots of the Gods of Vetinary Medicine - but no more!!! Jimmy tore his ACL in November of 2008 when he was 9. Till then he had been the healthiest strongest dod I'd ever had - once a year vet visits or when we boarded him but that was all - then the ACL happened - how it happened ... another story all together ... let me just say selfish neighbours letting their unruly dogs run off leash in the streets, and attacking me and my dog who was leashed while walking .... We got the ACL corrected and then began the long road to recovery. I was given the Derramax and told it was safe enough to give him a tablet for extended periods of time .... at that point I still believed these people - but after a chat to my mom who had raised bull terriers in South Africa, she told me to rather given him a combination of Glucosimine & MSM - which I did, and to only give him the dug when he really needed it - i.e. if he was limping badly .... What I decided to do was to half the tablet as I have always been very cautious of medicating and would only give it to him when I could see he was in severe pain, and so we went along for a bit more than a year to the fateful evening. I gave him the tablet about 6:30 after he'd had his dinner and he went to lie down and slept for a number of hours around 11pm he started having a ceasure and I tried in desperation to get hold of this vet as they were supposed to have an afterhours service .... I got one of those automated services that said if they hadn't responded in 10 minutes I was to contact the emergency vet - well I just went ahead and tried the #'s they'd left on their computerised message only to find 2 were no longer operational and the only emergency vet available in our are was about 35 miles from here. By this time I could see my dearest Jimmy was going to pass away and I realised there was NO WAY we could still get him into the van and drive all that way .... so I chose to let him rest at my feet - I loved on him and he passed at my feet in the kitchen .... I had NEVER EVER had anyone to pass before my eyes .... the most difficult thing I think I have ever had to happen ..... Jimmy had been my very first own dog .... I had chosen him I had picked the breed and he had been mine!! Dave then asked me to bring him the bottle of pills that had been prescribed and we googled the stuff only to discover it was the Celebrex for doggies. We printed out a copy of the Wiki and took it down to these people the next morning after we'd burried our dearest dog!! They assured us that it was the best medicine out there available and the vet even told us that he gave it to his small dogs for pain and swelling every day of their lives .... little did we realise at the time they were just getting rid of us. A couple of months down the line I was chatting to a lady who breeds poodles and after I mentioned our story to her, she told me there was a lawsuit going on agianst this vet because of malpractise in a very similar matter. Sadly we never report this to the manufacturers of Derramax - but let me say this after this very sad and unfortunate occurance in our lives we have become pro-active in the medical treatment that gets prescribed to us and our pets. We refuse to take any medication unless its generic. We also refuse to take anything until we have done the research on it ourselves, and we do the same for our pets. I guess you could say we have become some of the pot stirrers and trouble makers - and a lot of people don't like us because we are as direct about these issues as we are - but as the old addage goes "once bitten, twice shy"!!!
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Post by von Cosack on Jan 25, 2012 10:32:36 GMT -5
Pups get their initial shots with more time in between them. Then a rabbies every 3 years. I do consider a boost possibly at 4 years old but a titer is an option for every owner to use. Von
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Post by cathynu on Jan 26, 2012 8:50:46 GMT -5
Believe me Von, later this year when our guys are due for their annual shots, I'll be INSISTING on titers, instead of the shots .... because I board, they require those shots, however, I do believe if we do the titers, and I will certainly confirm this and get it in writing from the Vet we use, they shouldn't be able to refuse us for boarding with the results of those titers .... But then again these are country vets here in Alabama who reccomend the once a year annual shots .... so there's no telling what they're going to say, however this may just be what's needed to open these guys eyes .... I am also going to insist on the 3 year rabies shot!!
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Post by trinitydobes on Jan 26, 2012 12:26:14 GMT -5
Cathy, I think you should be able to print out one of the latest, documents written by a vet, like Dr. Schultz, and try and educate them with regard to titers - the other thing you can do is ask if they will accept a release of liability statement with regard to your dogs getting sick while in their care from the required shots - ie distemper, parvo, and bordetella.
I have successfully argued with 2 different vets about my dogs having to have the bordetella shot - and I would not wait til the last min - I would start a few weeks in advance to find a good middle ground - I am sure they need your business - so should be willing to negotiate with you
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Post by cathynu on Jan 27, 2012 8:38:38 GMT -5
Gail, is there any particular article you would reccomend me to read and study, so I can get a proper plan of action together before I go "confront" these people - because believe me, this is going to be a confrontation ....
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