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Post by gemmasmomma on Sept 2, 2011 23:36:32 GMT -5
Gail:
the money spent on titers can now be spent on a better quality of food yearly in the form of 'enzymes'....
I have recently heard from some reliable and valid sources that the KEY to our own longevity and our own resistance to disease is the viable amount of enzymes we consume daily in our diet and or in the form of a supplement. I have also found that without enzymes there is NO life... the body simply CANNOT function withtout them. So what are good sources of enzymes?
RAW Foods... only raw foods or raw food supplements that have live viable enzymes in them.
I have found a supplement that I am taking called "Women's RAW ENZYMES"... they have them for men and I KNOW that their are enzyme supplements to give to our pets to augment their diet but mainly to optimally 'jump start' the entire body system to utilize what we give it.
IF we give our dogs raw foods in the form of raw meat and bone regularly, it does not have to be daily, but regularly... weekly... a dose of raw meat in the best possible forms we can find and then sprinkle some enzymes on that and also provide raw KEFIR or RAW yogurt or RAW goats milk, cultured goats milk yogurt is the best for dogs... and give that to them also regularly we are immediately implanting into their gut the essential enzymes that they need to break down the food we do give them and allow them to utilize it to build up their natural immunities to the highest possible levels. This single thing will dramatically change their internal make up to allow them to withstand the rigors of exposure to things that might have other wise made them sick or weakened their immune system.
We ourselves need eat this way and to make a conscious effort to improve our own health and immunity to dis ease!
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Post by prettyfeetsmom on Sept 6, 2011 9:13:45 GMT -5
Geesh, here we go again. This thread is starting to get out of hand, a lot of great things and points have been said so can we please give it a rest. I'm sure it is time to agree to disagree and drop it.
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Post by gemmasmomma on Sept 6, 2011 11:05:17 GMT -5
Geesh, here we go again. This thread is starting to get out of hand, a lot of great things and points have been said so can we please give it a rest. I'm sure it is time to agree to disagree and drop it. out of hand? ladies... is this a forum or a coffee clatch where everyone must be super nicey nice, and ENGLISH in a discussion or its considered 'out of hand"... for gawds sake... take a xanax... a discussion is a discussion, agreement, disagreement, challenges, argument, as long as no one is being rude, discourteous or nasty.... the whole purpose of a forum is discussion... what is the definition of discussion? Sometimes some of you are so namby pamby and simply cannot stand anything beyond "social niceties"... My information and discussion is to challenge conventional thought.. to get people to think beyond what they think they know... some of you are so afraid to be challenged that the moment the discussion takes a turn into 'challenges' you get incredibly defensive and 'close the thread'.... this kind of discussion serves NO one.. if you personally are uncomfortable in a thread? Then go away from it. Like any other dialog you can leave, not participate and or simply ignore the parts that make you uncomfortable. Each person has their own manner in which they express themselves. Gial was BANNED From our previous "Forum' for being just that kind of a person.. the kind of person who gets you to think outside the box and who expresses herself unreservedly.... a few people were offended by her manner in which she spoke... hence this new forum. So if you are offended by the manner in which a dialog progresses because there is a person in that dialog with whom you feel threatened, uncomfortable or at odds with and you cannot get past it? then simply avoid that thread... we are all adults here and this is the "Internet dog park"... nothing more.... its the Internet Doberman Dog park"... so get over the fact that some people in that 'dog park' are gonna offend you or get your dander up... Just do not go into that area where they are and that way... those who can handle the dialog will continue and explore ideas and get clarity even if you cannot... personally I am really sick of the pathetic, namby pamby people who get their 'panties in wad" over a simple discussion where the people in the discussion get passionate.. thats what it is... NOT angry or rude or discourteous, just passionate about what they believe and their manner of expression is just that... Passionate. I am a greek gal who uses my hands and my voice and my body to express myself and if I have to be an "english school marm' in here over every discussion that gets 'fun'and passionate', I will simply leave the forum for the 'politically correct, english school marm' types.... I for one, have a voice and hands and a investment in being myself and I am not going to change it for the 'Dog park police' in this forum... get over it... its a dog park for gawds sake and we all have opinions and expression of them is the sole purpose of the freakin forum...  |
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Post by trinitydobes on Sept 6, 2011 12:42:58 GMT -5
Diva,
This is an educational forum - and as such the exchange of information that helps educate us all is great is desired and is encouraged.
HOWEVER GF - sometimes in our passion for a subject we can get a bit DOMINANT in the statement of our opinions and the desire to convert the masses. No one likes to have information shoved down their throats.
You have a great mind with a great capacity to embrace new ideas and information - but I am going to give you a collar correction - please dial it back a bit. You are discovering great links and great information - but no one likes it being inferred, that if I, or anyone other member does not readily agree with you, that we are idiots!!! and lacking in good sense.
You may believe that - but I am asking you keep that opinion of our collective stupidity to your self. You can lead us all to the water trough, but since many of us are other dominant Alpha bitches you can 't make us drink!
I as well as the others, I am sure will read, reseach and digest all this new information in our own time, in our own way, and come to our own conclusions. Please allow the members to do this, and to accept that many may not agree with you, and just leave it at that.
This does not mean we don't want to read what you have to say, and to learn from the research you are doing - just don't damn me to hell as a sinner becuase I have not baptized myself in your new religion OK?
Namaste - please allow others to have their own opinions, and respect their right to disagree with with you. There is spirited discussion and there is running everyone over with the freight train of your passion for all these new discoveries.
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Post by prettyfeetsmom on Sept 6, 2011 13:17:17 GMT -5
Excuse me Diva, I can go head to head with you any day. Believe me I'm no way scared of you and your bully type ways. I just choose NOT to beat a dead horse on an open forum. All it does is waste peoples time and energy, I have matured past that level of childish behavior.
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Post by trinitydobes on Sept 6, 2011 13:43:49 GMT -5
OK - points made and trees pissed on by the Participating Alpaha Bitches lol - lets get back to some good discussion about the new information and how we should deal with it.
Sit, Stay, discuss nicely biatches!
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Post by gemmasmomma on Sept 6, 2011 15:39:57 GMT -5
ROFLMAO--------------------> GAIL! your inimitable style is so appreciated... from one Alpha Biatch to another! Godluvya!! godluvya all!  |
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Post by gemmasmomma on Sept 6, 2011 15:48:11 GMT -5
Excuse me Diva, I can go head to head with you any day. Believe me I'm no way scared of you and your bully type ways. I just choose NOT to beat a dead horse on an open forum. All it does is waste peoples time and energy, I have matured past that level of childish behavior. ROFL.... if you only knew how UNbully type I am.... and how UN scared of me I want you to be... defensive postures only cause this kind of dialog. I never ever, mentioned, suggested or stated in any way or form that ANY of YOU needed to do what was being expressed here. For some reason, the threat of new information causes such defensive postures and its to unnecessary.... If you were to re read what was said.... and what I asked, you would realize that its just inquiry... honest inquiry and honest inquiry leads to new understanding. Gail... for heavens sake, you of all people know that I am a pussy cat and I am not a hard case at all... Just pushing the information out there to be read digested and discussed... but if you will re read all of these posts.. not one person said Wow.. this information is a bit scary... Good Lord, how will we proceed with these new protocols with all the 'rules and regulations out here'... Did anyone out here say that? Did anyone out here even say... Wow.... this information is amazing... thanx for posting, we have much to digest here, we have much to consider and brain storm on... had that happened? none of this 'tree pissing' as you call it, would be an 'issue'. I am not tree pissing.. I am a passer of information and I will continue but I will continue elsewhere.... it seems pretty clear here that new information like this is not welcome by those who have expressed in so many words, that I am a big bitch who bullies information onto people.... if that is really how you feel about me? and my personal expression? so be it... I will softly remove myself to a place that this kind of information is accepted and discuss it with those who already on the same page. Its cool, ya'all.. really it is... this is only one of many 'online" dog parks. I can go to another one.... really... its not a big deal! its not like we really care to know one another is it? its all just an online venue... no one really knows the others here and no matter how long you spend time with people online, they still manage to 'not know you'... I like some of you and do not know many of you like Bree, or Kia or Dee... so its not like we are really friends... we are just online nameless 'ID's" who express our opinions. It is just another way to kill the time when we are not doing our 'real lives' anyway. Gail.. I totally appreciate you and your input... always.. but the rest of you gals? Dont know ya... dont really care, and that goes both ways its very clear! as it should be... it just is what it is |
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Post by von Cosack on Sept 6, 2011 16:40:56 GMT -5
Might be time for you "alpha bitches" to chill out and go get a drink down at the pond. A redirection seems pointless but theres always a compulsion thought that might get everyone on a steady plain. Another way to look at all this is that its grown .............................Boring!!!! Sounds more like lil bitches in a litter getting ready to nap cause their cranky. soooooo,
........................go to bed!!! Von
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Post by trinitydobes on Sept 6, 2011 17:36:27 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO - you a pussy cat - wait let me move before lightening strikes. LMAO You may be able to sell that "I am just a pussy cat" in comparison the other alpha bitches here, however, the majority of members on this forum are not alphas and your "just pushing" is intimidating, and overwhelming. You may not think so, but you have been told this too many times for you to not acknowledge the perception as valid.
I am glad you have taken lead on doing the research and finding out all this new information on vaccines as with 2 litters of pups I just don't have the time to devote at this very moment.
As a member of this online community, you must respect that your audience will each react to this new and scary information in their own way. AND I have thanked you for your contribution in this area - I would hope that your little pussycat self would not need the thanks of every reader in order to feel your contriubution is appreciated. The information is very much appreciated - its the delivery that is not - we have had this very discussion many times on more than one forum - in your passion, your exhuberance is like a steam roller to many.
I really hope you will not take your inquiring mind, your excitement over researching this very important area and your toys and in an unessary pique leave our community sand box. I like you, I've gladly mentored you, and you have been a good student. I hope you will listen to me again with regard to how we want the message to be "pushed" or delivered to the community, and not leave the forum.
HOWEVER, if you honestly feel you cannot engage in the exchange of ideas and opinions in a less Pushy manner, then your decision to leave is the correct one.
Namaste
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Post by trinitydobes on Sept 6, 2011 21:42:20 GMT -5
In the interest of keeping the record straight - I thought I should address this statement made by Gemmasmomma.
I was not banned from the previous forum for speaking my mind or for being outspoken and too direct - even though my manner in several posts regarding BYB and White Breeders was angry and direct to the point of being uncomfortable for most to read, that behavior is not why I was asked to leave. I was asked to leave because my intolerance for and unwillingness to condone and accept breeders who did no health testing, not even the minimum. This position/opinion was in direct opposition to the vision of the forum owner who himself was a breeder and did not do any health testing. The forum owner did not want to be on the receiving end of my continued public condemnation of his and other BYB breeding practices - that is why I left our previous forum, just to set the record straight.
Now back to your regulary scheduled heated discussion on Vaccines!
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Post by gemmasmomma on Sept 7, 2011 0:59:03 GMT -5
Gail: I will bow to your wisdom.... I do not see the pushy thing. I simply do not....
but you see it and a few others do, so I will accept that its seen by some and not seen by others. Those who see it get defensive and those who do not message me privately and thank me for the message. Its usually an equal amount on both sides... hence My inability to see it about myself especially since I know where I am coming from, and as you say "others do not know me" and construe it as 'pushy or bully-ish' as Gaston's mom stated.
I do not get it at all... what it outside of your awareness is just that- outside! One cannot see themselves from the position across the room. They can only see their motivation and their intention and their own view.
I see information and I see non acceptance of it and a pushing against it and I simply try to go around the 'barrier' of resistance and when I do, that is viewed as 'pushy'... but what I see is resistance to the new information from a microcosm or a few, and those few are the ones are are offended, when I go beyond their 'resistance' and ask why they are resisting it.... this is what sales people do... its what I do for a living and it serves me quite well in that venue, so its pretty difficult to avoid doing what I do naturally when a few are offended by it. A few in my sales job get offended too, but those that dont? pay me handsomely! So I actually think what I do and how I do it works quite well... so I guess these forums are just not for me....
because to thine own self be true and regard no man as higher or better than yourself... but I do bow to your wisdom here and have in the past. SO I think I am just not cut out for this kind of diplomatic conjecture and banter, as one out of the masses will be offended and I then must assume that someone that makes me 'the one who must change'... that is just not gonna happen, not here and not for this kind of reward.
I appreciate the occasional 'PM" from someone who says 'thanks'... and I appreciate the few who get something out of my 'unique' approach, but for those who do not, I give you the stage....
time here is short and I really do not have the time to worry about such things as the one I offended in my 'unique pushy style"... its far to disconcerting and a huge waste of my energy.
It was Katja at DC and now its Gaspars mom and Dee and someone else I am sure!
god bless ya all... going to stay out of the dog park! Much to much drama for me...
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Post by doberdelight on Sept 7, 2011 3:43:10 GMT -5
ok i am an outsider here. I am not reading the whole thread but only the last few posts. I know people here as Gemmasmom does. Not very well!!!!! That said however I still say what i want to and try to get my point across. I think however there comes a time when you have to try and put your textin a constructive manner so as people do not mis interpret it.
If it is read out of context then these are the things that do happen. When this does happen I think you need to reevaluate the way you word things and not run from the forum. It doesnt matter where you go the same thing happens to us all at some point as our language/way of talking etc are all worlds apart almost.
Lets pull this thread together and have the discussion it was set out to be rather than the numerous amount of useless posts that are mixed in with it.
Just me opinion.
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Post by trinitydobes on Sept 7, 2011 13:54:39 GMT -5
This is one of those BIG Picture situations - no one person makes or breaks a community.
As individuals you each do not have the benefit of the Big Picture that a moderator or Administrator does.
Just because a member has not received negative feed back via pm does not mean that their posts are not being construed as pushy and litterally beating people over the head with the information.
As a moderator, and a founder I have a duty to see the BIG picture and do what is best for the entire community and all members. I have received several pms asking me to step in, tone down and ask very politely if the posts on this topic could be made in a less domineering and pushy way. The information is important - but the tone and delivery has turned many members OFF participating in any manner.
This is an educational forum and when the tone is over the top people are and have been turned off and tune out and leave the discussion. This is not what we as a community want to happen.
I don't need anyone to sell me or the other members of this community anything - thats not the purpose of this forum. The purpose it to provide a friendly place where information can be posted and members can choose to use it or not. Hopefully new information can be presented so that all members will read it, absorb it, and then go off and do their own research so that they are more educated on important issues that affect our pets.
I am not the boss of anyone, but I take my duties as moderator and one of the founders of this forum very seriously - I don't ever want any member so intimidated by the strong personalities of any other member to keep them from asking questions or participating in any discussion. Period - thats the RULE.
And for goodness sakes if MOI, as big an alpha bitch, as has ever walked the earth can do this - then I have no problem expecting the rest of the alpha bitches on this forum to do the same. If you can't then you don't let the doggy door hit you in the butt on your way out. Talk about Drama - this is it and I won't tolerate it.
This thread is now locked - because I can.... lol thats why!
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