|
Post by cathynu on Nov 8, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5
Hey Diva how do I go about retaining Lilly's FCI registration??? There may be a good chance that I still show her in South AFrica and because they are members of the FCI I'm sure her Polish registration would stand me in very good stead - South Africa also uses the same method of showing as what we do here in the US ..... I have already gone ahead and cross registered here here .... AKC, UKC & IABCA, although interestingly, IABCA uses here PKR registration # and when I registered Rex with them earlier in this year, they used his AKC registration # ... I guess this has to do with the fact that they're not a registry???
|
|
|
Post by gemmasmomma on Nov 9, 2011 0:38:09 GMT -5
Hey Diva how do I go about retaining Lilly's FCI registration??? There may be a good chance that I still show her in South AFrica and because they are members of the FCI I'm sure her Polish registration would stand me in very good stead - South Africa also uses the same method of showing as what we do here in the US ..... I have already gone ahead and cross registered here here .... AKC, UKC & IABCA, although interestingly, IABCA uses here PKR registration # and when I registered Rex with them earlier in this year, they used his AKC registration # ... I guess this has to do with the fact that they're not a registry??? Cathy; as far as I know, FCI registry would be usable in an AKC show, FCI is the Gold standard in Europe for registry... Gemma is a russian federation registry the only one in Russia and Saava is the polish registry the only one in poland that I know of. I did not see if his registry was FCI or not... if it is, its news to me.... I am keeping their foreign registries and UKC and IABCA and even ARBA when I go to show there, but I wont be showing in AKC ever, so I dont think I need that AKC registration of the litter, but I may come up with a valid reason down the road. Right now, I am not even thinking about it. Will register Gemma's first litter with UKC and see if I cannot register them with the Sires' country of origin registry... Italy... if I use Urbano semen that I have available to me... if not, I will breed her to Trotyl De Black Shadow and if so, then I may register them AKC... but time will tell!
|
|
|
Post by cathynu on Nov 9, 2011 4:14:55 GMT -5
Diva, Dura Lex is registered as Dura Lex Polonia (FCI), so I would presume that is exactly what it means ..... Dura Lex is a Kennel in Poland registered with the FCI .... which means both our pups are FCI registered - so what you're saying to me is that I could've used Lilly's Export pedigree to put her in an AKC show instead of first AKC registering her??? That is very news to me ...... I did not know that ......
|
|
|
Post by trinitydobes on Nov 9, 2011 10:41:47 GMT -5
Cathy,
I think Diva is not entirely correct - you can "conditionally" or temporarily show on your foreign registration if it is with a kennel club accepted by the AKC - BUT you MUST eventually register your dog with the AKC if you want to KEEP any points earned at shows you competed at using the foreign registration.
here is the information from the AKC website
Can I show my imported dog using its foreign registration number?
The AKC Rules Applying to Dog Shows (Chapter 11, Section 1) allow you to show in AKC events using a dog's foreign registration number if that registration is with an acceptable foreign registry. Please note that dog cannot be shown on a foreign litter number. The dog must be individually registered with the foreign registry. The dog may compete for thirty days beginning with the first day of exhibit. When completing an Official AKC Entry Form for an event, the dog's foreign registration number should be recorded in the appropriate space on the form indicating the country of origin.
After thirty days, either one of these two things must happen for the dog to be shown:
1. The AKC registration must be recorded and the dog must be shown using its individual AKC registration number, or 2. You must have been granted an extension to continue showing with the foreign number. Requests for extensions must be in writing (by mail, fax, or email) and must have been granted prior to the event. The "Request for Extension" form with a letter of notification is automatically sent out after the first time that you show a dog on a non-AKC registration number in an AKC event. This form can be mailed to the address on the form or faxed to 919-816-4220. Requests must also include a copy of the dog's foreign registration. The actual request form is not needed for an extension request. A written request can also be mailed to AKC, Attn: Show Operations, 8051 Arco Corporate Drive, Suite 100, Raleigh, NC 27617-3390, or faxed to 919-816-4220. On the request, the dog's foreign number, name, and breed must be listed along with the owner's name, address, and phone number. The request must also include a brief explanation for the delay in registration and a copy of the dog's foreign registration. There is a Non-Refundable fee of $50.00 for a 90 days extension. If your extension request is granted, you will be sent a letter of confirmation by regular mail within 7 to 10 days. This letter will tell you the length of the extension. You will be able to show your dog under the foreign number for the duration of the extension.
To register a foreign-registered dog with the AKC, you need to obtain the AKC Foreign Registration Application form. The form can be downloaded from our web site. Complete instructions are on the form. For general information about extensions, you can contact our Special Services Department at awards@akc.org. If you have questions related to foreign registration you can address those to foreign@akc.org. Extension, Unregistered Dog, AKC Litter Number
|
|
|
Post by cathynu on Nov 9, 2011 12:08:20 GMT -5
Thank you Gail for the explanation, that is exactly how I understood it to be, and why I said to Diva being able to show her on my export pedigree was news to me - I was very quick to get Lilly AKC registered as soon as that export pedigree showed up in our mailbox!! In fact she has been AKC, UKC & IABCA registered.
|
|
|
Post by cathynu on Nov 9, 2011 13:08:43 GMT -5
"I am keeping their foreign registries"
I guess what I should have asked was: How do you retain their foreign registry??? I presume you would need to do an ownership transfer, or is that Export pedigree surfice information, because the new owners information appears on that???
|
|
|
Post by trinitydobes on Nov 9, 2011 19:31:19 GMT -5
cathy -
Jazmine is still Canadian Kennel Club Registered as well as AKC and UKC.
Lestat is ACK, UKC and IABCA registered
I think that your Import Papers if they show you as the owner should still remain in effect for the Foreign kennel club - I did not have to turn in the CKC papers when I registered Jazmine.
But this has been a great discussion with good infomation
|
|
|
Post by gemmasmomma on Nov 9, 2011 19:32:31 GMT -5
Cathy: you did not have to give up your country of origin registry to register them with this countries show venues... so you still have your foreign registry AND your AKC and others. I simply did not care about AKC so I did not register her or him with them.... its not like a citizenship where you must 'give up' your country of origin citizenship to be a USA citizen... Its simply a registry for showing and for obtaining titles in said registry.
|
|
|
Post by gemmasmomma on Nov 9, 2011 19:36:01 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I do think that FCI is an exception to the rule...[/glow] because FCI is the European Equivalent to AKC.... I do believe that an FCI registered dog can be shown in AKC shows and receive titles... they can be registered in AKC and FCI... but my memory on this goes back to the 1990's when I had NEO's and was showing... because Neo's were an FCI recognized breed... so do not quote me on this... ask..instead...
|
|
|
Post by Nellie on Nov 9, 2011 20:24:24 GMT -5
FCI = International Kennel Club = the group that oversees the breed standards of all of its recognized breeds in its member clubs.
Each country has its own main kennel club that each of the breed clubs belong to, similar to the DPCA and the AKC.
The main kennel club of a country enters into the FCI as a member. When it is accepted to the FCI it must accept their rules. Which is why the AKC is NOT a full member of the FCI. The 'FCI' on your pups pedigree simply means that its pedigree is from a full member country of the FCI.
AKC is a provisional member, meaning that AKC will accept all pedigrees from FCI member countries. AKC is the only registry recognized by the FCI for the United States. Each dog shown must be registered in the registry for the country in which the dog resides.
|
|
|
Post by DeDe on Nov 9, 2011 20:36:42 GMT -5
********************************************************************** The above posts have been relocated here as they were 'off topic' in their other thread.
Feel free to continue this discussion for others to learn from...
|
|
|
Post by cathynu on Nov 9, 2011 22:50:09 GMT -5
Sorry Dede, we just keep on hi-jacking that other thread Thank you so much for moving this over to another discussion thread!! Thank you all so much for a very informative discussion!! This means I would be able to show my Lilly in South Africa who is an FCI member, because she is AKC as well as PKR registered. Oh and Diva, regarding the citizenship thing ..... One doesn't need to renounce your citizenship of birth country .... The American government does allow foreign citizens to have dual citizenship ..... although truth be told, when I naturalized, I let my South African citizenship go, because I won't be going back there to live ever. This is my home, and I pledge alegience to the US where for the past 15 years I have lived in peace and harmony, and have grown to enjoy all the creature comforts which avail themselves to me. Most people don't realise just how spoiled we are living here!!!
|
|
|
Post by Nellie on Nov 10, 2011 8:57:19 GMT -5
Thank you all so much for a very informative discussion!! This means I would be able to show my Lilly in South Africa who is an FCI member, because she is AKC as well as PKR registered.
It is the AKC papers ONLY that you will need. Please look at the PKR papers you received. The dog was signed off on by the prior owner/breeder and your name and ADDRESS are listed as the new owner. The PKR papers will get you nowhere right now. In most FCI member countries the breed club is notified when and to whom a dog is sold. Lilly is shown (on the records of the PKR) as being sold to the US and will need her US AKC registration in order to show in an FCI member country.
I only mention this because I don't want anyone to misunderstand this issue. FCI does NOT register dogs. The FCI logo on Lilly's export papers merely shows that the country she came from is a full member of the FCI.
I would also like to note here that, again, in most FCI member countries it is the breed club that issues the paperwork and handles all the registrations for that breed. The breed club is a member of the national kennel club. And it is the national kennel club that is a member of the FCI. So, in essence, the FCI is merely a club of clubs. You can get lots of info on the FCI on the internet. Just google it.
|
|
|
Post by von Cosack on Nov 10, 2011 9:07:28 GMT -5
The lady above is correct!!! The FCI info is honored by the akc and will accept the FCI papers on a dog as valid. DO NOT send in your original FCI papers to the akc, in years past that was the normal procedure but its ok to send a copy of them along with the other requirements. I say this because some people at the akc make the mistake of not telling people that a copy is all thats needed. If you loose your FCI papers its apain in the neck to get new ones if your showing or breeding an FCI dog it is a good idea to akc register them now a days. Von
|
|
|
Post by cathynu on Nov 10, 2011 10:41:38 GMT -5
Thank you all once again for the indebth explanation. I am glad I went ahead and got all the paperwork out of the way as soon as I got the export permit from the breeder overseas. She is already AKC, UKC & IABCA registered, and I will be sure to get her pups AKC registered, because I plan on breeding her to Euro's only which means there may be some interest from overseas .... which means the AKC registration is imperative!!!
|
|